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british talk show view on games borders ridiculously stupid or surpasses it

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3:18 pm
03/20/2010


gow2rules

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Post edited 2:19 pm – 03/20/2010 by gow2rules


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..yH2WemACIM for those outside Uk

http://www.computerandvideogam…..?id=239791 for those in uk

http://www.computerandvideogam…..?id=239351

after watching this i was so pissed off at these people's informed views on games

i would consider this even worse than some of the stuff fox newsLaugh(lol news) broadcasts on games

stuff like this just show how there are people have no clue what games are and yet make up facts about them oh they are racist “oh really”Fools and don't hear the voice of reason from the cvg editor gahAngry

most politicians, tv show hosts have no idea about games or are outdated and the sad thing as they have the power over these thing count yourself lucky you don't live in Australia where one

politician michael atkinson has decided his opinion is mandatory for the rest of australia in opposing an R18 category for games this is what he believes games are like no kidding

Their vote is hardly likely to hinge on the “right” to score gamer points on the computer screen by running down and killing pedestrians on the pavement, raping a mother and her two daughters, blowing onself up in a market, cutting people in half with large calibre shells, injecting drugs to win an athletics event or killing a prostitute to recover the fee one just paid her (Welcome to the world of R18+ computer games).”

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/….._responds/


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3:31 pm
03/20/2010


parnakas

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lol People just seem to blame video games for everything, even though there is more shit on TV and in Movies that could easily have a bigger influence on people than video games.

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3:42 pm
03/20/2010


cpaters

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these people have no clue about video games nowdays. None of my friends have become affected by the issues brought up in this clip so why would anybody else. Its up to the parents as to whether their kids can play the games or not, not the companies that make them. They have exactly the same ratings as films and so there is no difference. Not every game is violent so there is plenty of choice for people that don't want violence. From this clip it shows that the whole ordiance doesn't know about video games as didn't clap Tim (CVG) once.

4:47 pm
03/20/2010


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yeah its kinda bullshit. But that one guy that first talks has a point in the beginning.

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8:46 pm
03/20/2010


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Post edited 7:49 pm – 03/20/2010 by I773D33MABL3


It's not often a simple video clip makes me want to kick in my TV but that little nugget of horsesh*t was more than a little infuriating. 


I think the “interview” would be best described as an ambush. The CVG guy was under siege. He found himself in the awkward position of trying to make informed, rational, arguments to counter propaganda.


It just goes to show that it doesn't matter how fcucking stupid you are, if you shout loud enough and sound dramatic then you get taken seriously.  


This pathetic brand of thinking comes from the same PTA led division of idiocy that thinks music inspires murder and suicide. 


A child spends more time with their parents than games, music and movies rolled into one. They have more of an influence than anything else that child could ever come into contact with. But when a kid shoots his class-mates or throws himself off a bridge then it's those same parents leading the witch-hunt for a scapegoat. 


Blame is easier than responsibility. 


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9:31 pm
03/20/2010


Aztec25

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Those people are stupid!

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1:01 am
03/21/2010


dizzel22

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If games like modern warfare 2 really turn people into violent maniac's  who wanna kill people like they were Soap , then the world is in trouble .

 I thought i would have heard something about the million's of people (including myself) going on this muderous rampage.

 Or maybe games just don't make people violent

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2:13 am
03/21/2010


parnakas

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And i would also like to point something else out. 

Kids can NOT buy games rated Mature (17+) here in Canada, only their parent can get it for them. 

SO whos fault is it that the kid playing? THE PARENTS for buying the damn game! 

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2:19 am
03/21/2010


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parnakas said:

And i would also like to point something else out. 

Kids can NOT buy games rated Mature (17+) here in Canada, only their parent can get it for them. 

SO whos fault is it that the kid playing? THE PARENTS for buying the damn game! 


what if you go with the parent?

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2:55 am
03/21/2010


gow2rules

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Ratchet525 said:

parnakas said:

And i would also like to point something else out. 

Kids can NOT buy games rated Mature (17+) here in Canada, only their parent can get it for them. 

SO whos fault is it that the kid playing? THE PARENTS for buying the damn game! 


what if you go with the parent?


still the parents fault for not seeing what the game is and what happens once playing it proceeds

i wish that talk show had got david jaffe or cory barlog those guy would have decimated those panalists i can already see jaffe's reaction to that ladies view on games “what the Fcuk have you been playing and swearing ensures

hell even david cage or kojima would have been good confusing the shit out of everyone there

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12:01 pm
03/21/2010


christus11

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We all have to say well done to the guy from CVG, he was fighting against Alan (the host) that old hag and the audience.

I wish he had brought some DS's with Scribbulous, or what eva its called, or a Wii with Wii Sports to show everyone that there are plenty of child/family games

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12:54 pm
03/21/2010


Antony19

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If MW2 creates killers then we have about 10.000+ killers in this world.

Also there are two comments that i agree with them

1this is so ***NO PROFANE LANGUAGE PLEASE*** retarded, violence has been about way before games were about, way before films, were about. children are confronted with violence everyday, whether is a tv programme, the news or anything. the children from WW2 were exposed to death for many years, children of medivieveal times were exposed to violence for decades, the world we know has been built on violence. these old fags no nothing, im doing a games course and these fags know nothing, im with the dude on the far left.

2You know what annoys me most in life? When ignorant people talk about things they don't know

And something else the movies and news on TV show even more violence. And the worst the violence in TV is real. For exmaple they show murders, bombs and lot more. The guy from the computer games got into an ambush. And one more question the old lady and the man what to they know are they specialised in something.

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2:28 pm
03/21/2010


parnakas

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Ratchet525 said:

what if you go with the parent?


What difference does that make?

They still have a choice of buying it or not. They can look at the game, see the 17+ thing, and realize that the game is aimed at a mature audience. They dont have to buy it, just because the kid is there. 

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6:28 pm
03/21/2010


Doctor_Rock

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Ugh. I could talk about this all day. Instead I'll bring up some key points.


Anyone remember all those child deaths in the 90's due to kids powerboming and piledriver'ing their younger brothers? That was pro wrestling's fault. There were suicides in the 1980's that was because of heavy metal. There were murders and suicides in the 60's that was because of rock and roll. I'm pretty sure scary movies and comic books were the devil's work in the 50's and 40's too, but I can't back that up.


Lazy parents are always going to find an excuse and that bs about games being interactive just drives me up the wall.


Tim gave some excellent points about the parental control, he even delivered an amazing counter when old man Titchmarsh said that movies were rated, but games weren't. While it could potentially be a big waste of money and resources I always thought that video games and some parental group pooled together to launch a website/weekly newsletter about the video games coming out, with details and rating of each game.

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9:36 pm
03/21/2010


monkeymoobs

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I felt that was not a discussion but pure slander of the video games industry everything that Tim said was ignored and the audience clapped at alans bogus remarks about the censorship of video games saying they don't have age ratings. Cmon seriously do some research on the subject beforehand alan. But tbh we needn't worry the only people that watched it were us on youtube and OAPs who want some company from the TV as they waste away the final few years of their lives.

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12:40 pm
03/25/2010


gow2rules

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Post edited 11:41 am – 03/25/2010 by gow2rules


turns out that lady Julie Peasgood is a hypocrite

http://www.gamesradar.com/f/th…..2445218095

she gives out sex advice on dinner time tv (think of the children “daddy what is that bannanna she's holding why isn't it yellow)

alo she has appeared in a violent horror game called Martian Gothic: Unification

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4:18 pm
03/25/2010


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How about an opposing view on the subject, that actually talks to these people, interviews them, and then tells them exactly why they are ignorant ***NO PROFANE LANGUAGE PLEASE***?  Yeah, I thought you'd like that.  Penn and Teller: Bullshit is a fantastic show full of gratuitous nudity and foul language, but in the process always raises good points on convoluted issues.  Following is a link to an episode they did fully on the video games issue, and a warning that this is for mature audiences only.  Cause I know all you guys are over 18 years old, right?

http://www.free-tv-video-onlin…..47c727158d


Also, I'm not entirely sure of the legality of the episode being posted on that website, so I claim I'm not responsible for you clicking on that.  But you should totally watch it.  PS: its a full half hour episode, watch the whole thing.  The ending really makes the point.

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6:05 pm
03/25/2010


christus11

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BigWoopMagazine said:

How about an opposing view on the subject, that actually talks to these people, interviews them, and then tells them exactly why they are ignorant ***NO PROFANE LANGUAGE PLEASE***?  Yeah, I thought you'd like that.  Penn and Teller: Bullshit is a fantastic show full of gratuitous nudity and foul language, but in the process always raises good points on convoluted issues.  Following is a link to an episode they did fully on the video games issue, and a warning that this is for mature audiences only.  Cause I know all you guys are over 18 years old, right?

http://www.free-tv-video-onlin…..47c727158d


Also, I'm not entirely sure of the legality of the episode being posted on that website, so I claim I'm not responsible for you clicking on that.  But you should totally watch it.  PS: its a full half hour episode, watch the whole thing.  The ending really makes the point.


Thanks for the link BWM. Its worth the 30 minutes just too see the ending, if that doesnt show some of these idiots that violent games dont de-sensitise children I dont know what ill

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6:33 pm
03/25/2010


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I'm glad you appreciate it.  Ever since I saw this episode, I have been trying to get anyone interested in the topic to check it out.  It presents the exact arguments I've been using for years, but with good examples, research, interviews, and humor injected into it.  Its really a great show, Penn and Teller address many current social, political, and economic issues and they're pretty much no holds barred on it – and the great thing is that there is an episode where they address the idea of taking anything anyone says at face value.  Don't just watch it and go “wow, those guys are right!”.  Look it up for yourself, do some research, and confirm it.  They did, but they make it a point to say, “Hey, we might be bullshitting you, so go try to prove us wrong if you're not sure.”  Which is great, because a lot of the problem with our video game argument is that the majority of people arguing against it have never done any research, never played them to see how it effects themself as an individual, and simply sees a glimpse of the content leading them to the immediate assumption that this is horrible and evil.  People that assume things and argue that the assumption is the truth are horrible and evil, even if they don't realize it.  It happens entirely too often, and it needs to stop. 


Off Topic Note – while this is one of my favorites since I am an avid video gamer, another favorite episode is where they address the eco concerns of our “energy crisis”, and point out that environmentalists arguing against nuclear power are simply flat out wrong.  I talk to these environmentalists on the street on a regular basis, always pointing out that I will not donate money to their hypocritical cause due to their opposition of the true solution to clean energy.  I find that most of them have never even given it a thought beyond “well Green Peace told me its bad, so it must be true”.  Again, too many people have this attitude about too many issues.  Please, if you have any interest in clean energy and the whole global warming issue, go watch that, and again – do research.  The Episode is entitled “Nukes, Hybrids and Lesbians”: http://www.free-tv-video-onlin…..  (Again, its a half hour long, but the critical part is the nuclear power, not so much the hybrids and lesbians.  Also, profanity, nudity, etc, mature, you have been warned.)

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2:20 am
03/26/2010


iruleu

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that girl is sooo stupid. When she talked about the airport scene in MW2 it pissed me off. i've heard that soooo many times. DO THEY KNOW YOU CAN SKIP THAT MISSION?!?! Angry

 for ***NO PROFANE LANGUAGE PLEASE*** sake!

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